Liberals Take A Hit In First Encounter With Multi-Party Rule In DC
People in countries with multi-party systems know that a fringe band of fanatics, like The Party, can hold the keys to the castle.
Especially if that minority party puts their their fingers through the ring on the pin of the grenade.
Abandoning Obama is absolutely the wrong response. Working harder to elect Democrats at every level is the path.
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Sorry, Obama and the Dems caved completely on this. The Tea Party held a gun to their head and they capitualted. Obama showed zero leadership. Now that the GOP got what it wanted and the Dems got precidsely zero, the Tea Party is emboldened. Leaving party winners-losers aside, this "deal" is itself a sham. Its effect on the deficit amounts to little more than rounding error and it sets the stage for more arguments and hostage taking down the road. Obama let it all happen. He did not have the courage to say what must be said: That fixing the debt and deficit will require participation from everyone, not just corporate jet owners and oil companies. All right, no one on either side had the courage to say that. But now tax increases are officially off the table, probably for good; it will be a miracle if the ruinous Bush tax cuts are not extended and effectively made permanent, consigning us to BOTH perpertual deficits AND erosion of our most basic government services and programs. Grover Norquist sees a change to drown government in his proverbial bathtub and the Dems are letting it happen. Obama failed miserably. I wish Hillary Clinton would run against him in a primary. She would have had Boehner, McConnell and the Tea Party for lunch. If it's Obama vs. any Republican, I vote Obama of course because any GOP president means utter diasater, but Obama has failed too totally and too often to deserve progressives' unquestioned support.
I'm not bailing on Obama, even though he bailed on us. But I think the economy will now tank and he, not the Tea Party, will be blamed. I don't see how he gets reelected if the GOP nominates anyone halfway reasonable. (A big if)
That person up there is long-winded (as I am ) and makes similar points to those I have. But that wasn't me trying to be mysterious, I'm down here.
Interesting take on the multi-party situation. I don't disagree, but maybe that's a more "American" style (what you describe there). What I've heard about in Europe (and yeah I'm WAAAY not an expert) is that the effect of multiple parties on each other is that in order to get majorities and win - they all end up watering down their differences and at the least compromising and forming coalitions.
I'm not sure it's typically the hostage-taking we see here. That might be a balls-to-the-walls American take on multiple parties. But for the truth, you'de really need a bunch of non-Americans. What Europeans say about themselves is NOT the same as what people here say about them. People here tend to cherry pick views and "facts" to serve as illustrative examples to shore up their own pre-ordained beliefs. We Americans are not real big on taking non-center-of-the-Universe looks at what other peoples feel/do. We already are SURE about reality and what is totally ALWAYS true and don't see sh*t past our own noses.
Once again though, you gotta hand it to the GOP. Welcoming the third party to their fold, allowing that wing to do their extremist dirtiest of the dirty-work and still getting away with murder as a whole party.
Interesting how the Dems would never dream of "using" the Greens as a foil to their own centrism and perhaps benefiting that way. All the talk of Obama the Socialist would wither away if any ACTUAL socialists were present in American Political Discourse. As it is Dem shut-outs of those further left only reinforce the cock-eyed view of the entire spectrum of political thought being this far right.
Greens do not exist, Socialists do not exist, Communists do not exist. Therefor Democrats become a boogeyman of all 3 while in reality being firmly center, and yet still having to run begging after the fascists to prove they're not bloody bloody Che Guevara. Please please PLEASE beleive me.
No one there to prove otherwise to the Talk Radio class. Must be true. So we have Ayn on one end of the political spectrum, and Obama on the other. So now, who's controlling this dialogue? Pretty darn obvious.
and LOL @ the idea of people abandoning O'Barry.
Other way around - he's the abandoner.
And I way agree with Anon up there. The Teas will be emboldened. This "super-committee" crapola, means endless endless haranguing and retrograde actions as NOTHING gets done and all kinds of progress gets slowly undone OR at best deadlocked and wothless.
Yea verily I Thank God on my knees for this bi-partisan victory that staves off global Armageddon.
p.s. I said I was gonna vote for Barack.
And there's Democrats here in my area I will NOT raise a finger for, I will vote for them too, with disgust, since the extremist are so horrible and these Dems are maybe a blocking device (maybe maybe). But some of these people are not worth the paper they're printed on and stamping DEMOCRAT on their foreheads does not make over their characters or their attitudes or their abilities anymore than New and Improved! on a product actually ever means it's New or Improved. Probably they just are selling a reduced weight lessened quality version of the product for the same or higher price.
Business and Politics has been crapping on and hoodwinking the public for a long time now. They all can't just keep expecting no one is ever ever gonna wise up and that people aren't gonna become forever blackened with cynicism at some point.
Baby, I think we're there.
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