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Sunday, September 4, 2011
Wisconsin Is #1 - - In Per-Pupil Cuts To Education
This will not help prepare Wisconsin kids for jobs, and a commitment to jobs was Scott Walker's number-one rhetorical priority. Then reality, politics and his budget took over...
Actually, Wisconsin spent over $12k per student in 2009 and that number increased over the last two years. The $635 is misleading because they spend more than many of the other states listed. Illinois, by percentage actually cut its per pupil spending by more despite raising sales and income taxes, and increasing their licensing fees.
Since educators in Wisconsin will be contributing to their own health care premiums and pensions, less is needed per student. In other words, more of the money tax payers spend towards education in Wisconsin is going directly to the students.
I'm not sure where all that money is going in Illinois.
This asuuming that throwing more money at the teacher's unions equates to gains in education. Sounds to me like alot of waste and inefficiences are being eliminated.
Where are these idiots leaving the comments that "teachers haven't been paying for health insurance" getting their information? Oh yeah! Duh! Scooter Walker and his lying bunch of GOP assholes. That bit of garbage is not now nor has it ever been the truth. It is a political lie, a complete fabrication, and you bought it because you are too lazy and stupid to check the facts.
Another not so brilliant comment based on pulling two words, "waste," and "inefficiencies," out of the republican word cloud. No facts or even personal reasoning anywhere offered or to be seen, just keep pulling it out of your ass so-to-speak, over and over, again. Ho hum.
Since when has education ever had to, or been able to be provided efficiently? Oh that's right, every child learns at exactly the same rate and with the same ability to comprehend each and every subject, each and every day.(sarcasm) In whose world, Ron R?
Make the job of good and experienced teachers tougher by stuffing six to twelve more students ( oh, and let's make those extra children the special needs or "difficult," children not accepted at the charter schools) into each class so there is less ability to distinguish differences between children and less attention paid to helping these children. That should efficiently produce well educated individuals fit for participating in our society. (more sarcasm, Ron R.)
And let's not forget, please, that certain districts are draws for parents of children with special needs. For instance, Madison has great resources for autistic kids, both within and outside the school district. As a result, academics who have multiple job offers (at least in the past, and their children are still in the school system) who have a special needs child have chosen to take a job at UW-Madison specifically because of the resources available for their children. I am by no means saying they should not take advantage of the resources, but they do have the effect of raising per pupil costs.
Scott Walker thinks in terms of election cycles. He does not think in terms of what is best long term for the welfare of Wisconsin citizens or the stewardship of the land and resources. He needs to be recalled and we do need to be smart of the date for this recall. The date needs to favor Democrats.
Anonymous, the contributions of educators to local educational funding (through the loss of negotiated benefits) will be offset by the yanking of state shared revenues to school districts. In many cases the amounts are almost equivalent, suggesting someone took the time to do the math beforehand. So, no net benefit. I'm surprised no one has pointed this out to you before; it's one of the basic discussion points of those opposed to what Walker has been doing.
Actually, Wisconsin spent over $12k per student in 2009 and that number increased over the last two years. The $635 is misleading because they spend more than many of the other states listed. Illinois, by percentage actually cut its per pupil spending by more despite raising sales and income taxes, and increasing their licensing fees.
ReplyDeleteSince educators in Wisconsin will be contributing to their own health care premiums and pensions, less is needed per student. In other words, more of the money tax payers spend towards education in Wisconsin is going directly to the students.
I'm not sure where all that money is going in Illinois.
This asuuming that throwing more money at the teacher's unions equates to gains in education. Sounds to me like alot of waste and inefficiences are being eliminated.
ReplyDeleteWhere are these idiots leaving the comments that "teachers haven't been paying for health insurance" getting their information? Oh yeah! Duh! Scooter Walker and his lying bunch of GOP assholes. That bit of garbage is not now nor has it ever been the truth. It is a political lie, a complete fabrication, and you bought it because you are too lazy and stupid to check the facts.
ReplyDelete@Ron R 6:00PM
ReplyDeleteAnother not so brilliant comment based on pulling two words, "waste," and "inefficiencies," out of the republican word cloud. No facts or even personal reasoning anywhere offered or to be seen, just keep pulling it out of your ass so-to-speak, over and over, again. Ho hum.
Since when has education ever had to, or been able to be provided efficiently? Oh that's right, every child learns at exactly the same rate and with the same ability to comprehend each and every subject, each and every day.(sarcasm) In whose world, Ron R?
Make the job of good and experienced teachers tougher by stuffing six to twelve more students ( oh, and let's make those extra children the special needs or "difficult," children not accepted at the charter schools) into each class so there is less ability to distinguish differences between children and less attention paid to helping these children. That should efficiently produce well educated individuals fit for participating in our society. (more sarcasm, Ron R.)
And let's not forget, please, that certain districts are draws for parents of children with special needs. For instance, Madison has great resources for autistic kids, both within and outside the school district. As a result, academics who have multiple job offers (at least in the past, and their children are still in the school system) who have a special needs child have chosen to take a job at UW-Madison specifically because of the resources available for their children. I am by no means saying they should not take advantage of the resources, but they do have the effect of raising per pupil costs.
ReplyDeleteScott Walker thinks in terms of election cycles. He does not think in terms of what is best long term for the welfare of Wisconsin citizens or the stewardship of the land and resources. He needs to be recalled and we do need to be smart of the date for this recall. The date needs to favor Democrats.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, the contributions of educators to local educational funding (through the loss of negotiated benefits) will be offset by the yanking of state shared revenues to school districts. In many cases the amounts are almost equivalent, suggesting someone took the time to do the math beforehand.
ReplyDeleteSo, no net benefit.
I'm surprised no one has pointed this out to you before; it's one of the basic discussion points of those opposed to what Walker has been doing.