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Wednesday, July 25, 2007
Sign An Online Petition Against BP's Lake Michigan Pollution Permit
You can get in on the action to stop British Petroleum's fouling of Lake Michigan with sludge and ammonia - - three tons daily - - at its northern Indiana lakefront refinery by signing an online petition.
Not sure why you posted this but as a democrat I want us to look good and post what we understand and believe. Blindly signing a petition because someone tells me the sky is falling degrades the value of my signature...you think the founding fathers just signed the declaration of independence because some uniformed patriots said so? I assume that you are approaching the issue with BP with the whole issue in mind.
Here are some facts I have "filtered" out from all the yadayadayad of the papers and protests...no water treatement plant including BP's "dumps sludge" into the lake. BP does not do this. If you look at BP's levels of ammonia and TSS and compare them to cities on the Great Lakes you will see no comparison....BP to me seems more like an environmental steward. Where do you think the city of Chicago puts their treated water??? Into the Chicago River...where it goes down into the Mississippi. What do you think happens sometimes when the sanitary system can't keep up in Chicago?? Raw Sewage oozes and overflows into the river...raw sewage...you know the stuff that goes down the toilet.
I love the environment. I am not a fan of any oil company, but I don't pass judgement so fast... take my advice when everybody and their brother jumps on a bandwagon so fast especially politicians and the media, and now rock groups, read the details and get the facts. Don't be a stooge. Because if you search on the Chicago reclamation department you will find they are not such angels yet their presidnet uses the term sludge...ask yourself, how can the president of a reclamation plant which does what BP's water plant does call something sludge when he knows it is not?? I would be worried.
Don't be a stooge. As consumers we should voice our opinions not be given opinions by the media and others....
I am totally disheartened by our so called leaders. People that I hoped would get the facts and then make educated decisions for the good of the nation overall. Keep your eyes and mind aware and I think you will feel used as well...even if you are the one yelling at big oil.
Also, what hope can our nation have when we have laws and then our leaders say oh sorry we know you followed the law but too bad. Oh sorry Mr. Durbin, I know you were driving 54 mph but we decided that driving a car is bad for the environment so any car driving is a violation...we are fining you.
Also before you people, educate yourself. Atleast look stuff up in Wikepedia. What next
Not sure why you posted this but as a democrat I want us to look good and post what we understand and believe. I assume that you are approaching the issue with BP with the whole issue in mind.
Here are some facts I have "filtered" out from all the yadayadayad of the papers and protests...no water treatement plant including BP's "dumps sludge" into the lake. BP does not do this. If you look at BP's levels of ammonia and TSS and compare them to cities on the Great Lakes you will see no comparison....BP to me seems more like an environmental steward. Where do you think the city of Chicago puts their treated water??? Into the Chicago River...where it goes down into the Mississippi. What do you think happens sometimes when the sanitary system can't keep up in Chicago?? Raw Sewage oozes and overflows into the river...raw sewage...you know the stuff that goes down the toilet.
I love the environment. I am not a fan of any oil company, but I don't pass judgement so fast... take my advice when everybody and their brother jumps on a bandwagon so fast especially politicians and the media, and now rock groups, read the details and get the facts. Don't be a stooge. Because if you search on the Chicago reclamation department you will find they are not such angels yet their presidnet uses the term sludge...ask yourself, how can the president of a reclamation plant which does what BP's water plant does call something sludge when he knows it is not?? I would be worried.
Don't be a stooge. As consumers we should voice our opinions not be given opinions by the media and others....
I am totally disheartened by our so called leaders. People that I hoped would get the facts and then make educated decisions for the good of the nation overall. Keep your eyes and mind aware and I think you will feel used as well...even if you are the one yelling at big oil.
Also, what hope can our nation have when we have laws and then our leaders say oh sorry we know you followed the law but too bad. Oh sorry Mr. Durbin, I know you were driving 54 mph but we decided that driving a car is bad for the environment so any car driving is a violation...we are fining you.
Also before you people, educate yourself. Atleast look stuff up in Wikepedia. What next
I have to agree with the comment above. I went to the website and the president does call what BP is putting into the lake sludge. This is kind of strange when he runs the same type of facility as BP's. Also if BP is dumping so is every other water treatment facility.
Also look how the Chicago Reclamation district describes sludge... "Many area golf courses, sod farms, tollway banks and parks are green and fertile because of the rich mixture of sludge and soil. In Fulton County, Illinois, the District is reclaiming 15,000 acres of land which were left barren and ugly from years of strip mining for coal. By leveling the land and enriching the soil with nitrogen, phosphorus and other nutrients in the sludge, wasteland has been converted to fertile ground for agricultural uses. This program is called the Prairie Plan." http://www.mwrd.org/Processes/solid.htm
Kind of amazing...makes you wonder who is telling truths and who is just slinging sludge.
I signed the petition and now I feel pretty much used.
Not sure why you posted this but as a democrat I want us to look good and post what we understand and believe. Blindly signing a petition because someone tells me the sky is falling degrades the value of my signature...you think the founding fathers just signed the declaration of independence because some uniformed patriots said so? I assume that you are approaching the issue with BP with the whole issue in mind.
ReplyDeleteHere are some facts I have "filtered" out from all the yadayadayad of the papers and protests...no water treatement plant including BP's "dumps sludge" into the lake. BP does not do this. If you look at BP's levels of ammonia and TSS and compare them to cities on the Great Lakes you will see no comparison....BP to me seems more like an environmental steward. Where do you think the city of Chicago puts their treated water??? Into the Chicago River...where it goes down into the Mississippi. What do you think happens sometimes when the sanitary system can't keep up in Chicago?? Raw Sewage oozes and overflows into the river...raw sewage...you know the stuff that goes down the toilet.
I love the environment. I am not a fan of any oil company, but I don't pass judgement so fast... take my advice when everybody and their brother jumps on a bandwagon so fast especially politicians and the media, and now rock groups, read the details and get the facts. Don't be a stooge. Because if you search on the Chicago reclamation department you will find they are not such angels yet their presidnet uses the term sludge...ask yourself, how can the president of a reclamation plant which does what BP's water plant does call something sludge when he knows it is not?? I would be worried.
Don't be a stooge. As consumers we should voice our opinions not be given opinions by the media and others....
I am totally disheartened by our so called leaders. People that I hoped would get the facts and then make educated decisions for the good of the nation overall. Keep your eyes and mind aware and I think you will feel used as well...even if you are the one yelling at big oil.
Also, what hope can our nation have when we have laws and then our leaders say oh sorry we know you followed the law but too bad. Oh sorry Mr. Durbin, I know you were driving 54 mph but we decided that driving a car is bad for the environment so any car driving is a violation...we are fining you.
Also before you people, educate yourself. Atleast look stuff up in Wikepedia. What next
Not sure why you posted this but as a democrat I want us to look good and post what we understand and believe. I assume that you are approaching the issue with BP with the whole issue in mind.
ReplyDeleteHere are some facts I have "filtered" out from all the yadayadayad of the papers and protests...no water treatement plant including BP's "dumps sludge" into the lake. BP does not do this. If you look at BP's levels of ammonia and TSS and compare them to cities on the Great Lakes you will see no comparison....BP to me seems more like an environmental steward. Where do you think the city of Chicago puts their treated water??? Into the Chicago River...where it goes down into the Mississippi. What do you think happens sometimes when the sanitary system can't keep up in Chicago?? Raw Sewage oozes and overflows into the river...raw sewage...you know the stuff that goes down the toilet.
I love the environment. I am not a fan of any oil company, but I don't pass judgement so fast... take my advice when everybody and their brother jumps on a bandwagon so fast especially politicians and the media, and now rock groups, read the details and get the facts. Don't be a stooge. Because if you search on the Chicago reclamation department you will find they are not such angels yet their presidnet uses the term sludge...ask yourself, how can the president of a reclamation plant which does what BP's water plant does call something sludge when he knows it is not?? I would be worried.
Don't be a stooge. As consumers we should voice our opinions not be given opinions by the media and others....
I am totally disheartened by our so called leaders. People that I hoped would get the facts and then make educated decisions for the good of the nation overall. Keep your eyes and mind aware and I think you will feel used as well...even if you are the one yelling at big oil.
Also, what hope can our nation have when we have laws and then our leaders say oh sorry we know you followed the law but too bad. Oh sorry Mr. Durbin, I know you were driving 54 mph but we decided that driving a car is bad for the environment so any car driving is a violation...we are fining you.
Also before you people, educate yourself. Atleast look stuff up in Wikepedia. What next
Wikipedia?
ReplyDeleteCome on, yourself!
I have to agree with the comment above. I went to the website and the president does call what BP is putting into the lake sludge. This is kind of strange when he runs the same type of facility as BP's. Also if BP is dumping so is every other water treatment facility.
ReplyDeleteAlso look how the Chicago Reclamation district describes sludge... "Many area golf courses, sod farms, tollway banks and parks are green and fertile because of the rich mixture of sludge and soil. In Fulton County, Illinois, the District is reclaiming 15,000 acres of land which were left barren and ugly from years of strip mining for coal. By leveling the land and enriching the soil with nitrogen, phosphorus and other nutrients in the sludge, wasteland has been converted to fertile ground for agricultural uses. This program is called the Prairie Plan." http://www.mwrd.org/Processes/solid.htm
Kind of amazing...makes you wonder who is telling truths and who is just slinging sludge.
I signed the petition and now I feel pretty much used.
Steve R. Chicago North Sider